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Senate Bill 24, prefiled by state Sen. Lesil McGuire, would establish a nine-member board to oversee Alaska's billion-dollar sport fishing industry. If the bill passes, potential guides would need to pass qualification and certification exams, be certified in first aid, hold a Coast Guard license and more.

While most guides and guiding associations say they're behind the bill, some say it will only add paperwork and government interference to their trade.

Do you think Senate Bill 24 should be passed into law?

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no this bill is to regulate a problem that doesn't exist

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this is not a statewide problem. if the Kenai river charter guides feel that there is a problem then address it as a local problem. all this would do for most of the saltwater guides is add another layer of goverment control and expense that is not needed, because we don't have a problem. It takes several years of sea time before you can even get your captains license, we have to have current cpr and first aid every year. we have Coast Guard inspections of our vessels every year, but mostly if you are a lousy guide and inexperienced captain you wont be in business long. the booking agencies that book many of the clients for the charter boats get feedback from the clients, and it only takes a few negative comments and they won't be sending any more clients to that boat. In our area the least experienced boast captain has been guiding for at least 15 years. we lost the younger business's this year to NMFS charter halibut LEP program. many of these guides were experienced competent guides. If Senator McGuire is so worried about Alaska's sport fishing industry why haven't we heard one word out of her and the rest of our senators and reps. in Juneau over the last couple of years while NMFS has been raping the charter halibut fleet statewide? this is where she needs to stick her nose.

 
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No.

#2

How is this new governmental interference supposed to help enforce the laws we already have to protect salmon stocks? People who operate w/o licenses won't all of the sudden decide to regulate themselves and only hurts legitimate operators by wrapping them in more red tape. This is a BS waste of public time and resources.

 
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Yes, SB 24 should be passed into law.

#3

Read SB24 carefully...

Everyone can keep doing what they are doing now. The lodges, charters, single guide operators can all keep going as they are now.
This would not be an additional license. It creates a board so that the sport fishing guide industry, not Fish and Game, controls how sport fish guiding is conducted.
This bill is something that we should all get behind. Now is the time, before there are so many people operating as guides that it is virtually impossible to manage. Look a the Big Game Guide industry. They are having the problems that the sport fishing industry will be having very shortly (or as some think, we are having now.)

Look at all the game that is going to draw, reduced seasons, etc...

Control the growth of our own numbers now, or have others control it for us later.

It is hard to understand those that say "let's let everyone get into guiding that wants in..."
If that is what we are going to accept, then we need to get used to more restrictions, reduced seasons and bag limits for everyone. 

 

Some critics of SB 24 are stating that it is better to have all user groups spread thin, the sport fishing public, personal use, sport fishing guides, commercial fishermen, subsistence, etc... until everyone gets a paper thin share of the resource.

To those that say 'let the market sort it out', let's take the traffic light out at Dimond and Old Seward and see how that works out.  Who says professionally guided sport fishing trips should be at Walmart prices so everyone can afford it? We have some of the best sport fishing in the world. But not for very long if there are unlimited entrants into the fishery.

Please realize that one of the central critics of this bill, sells diesel engines... no crime there, unless you believe that the sky is the limit for guide numbers and are frothing at the mouth at the thougt of selling crate after crate of fresh off the boat, foriegn made diesel boat engines .
Is this the best way to manage our fisheries resource? Those on a guided trip are statistically way more successful that those that are self guided. If the number of guides continues to grow exponentially, then restrictions will be made to seasons and bag limits for the rest of us. Less fishing opportunity for the sport angler, while continuing to grow the numbers of sport fishing guides.

Is it not preferable to limit the entry of sport fishing guides into the industry now, and protect the angling public from future, and likely more harsh season and bag limit restrictions?

For those of us that know big game guides in Alaska, you know that in some of the prime hunting areas, the guides are over running each other. King Solomon is not available to sort that one out, but for the sport fishing guide issue, SB24 would go a long way towards solving these issues earlier, rather than later.

 
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Absolutely NOT! the photo above is of a commercial fisherman

#4

I watched this Senator on the evening news and she did not have a substantial answer as to why she introduced this bill in the first place, she just mumbled something about more regulations!

I used to work as a sport fishing captain when attending UAA and worked for various sport fishing business owners in Alaska over a six year period. The industry is already heavily regulated as far as licensicing, and AK State Troopers and Coast Guard are out there already and can ask you for your license and info, safety equipment, fishing gear, look at the fish you have cought and kept, etc... This has happened to me more than once and I always had my operation together.

This is the same old BIG GOVERNMENT stuff, create a board of 8 people to govern? To who's benefit? This is NOT good for Alaska small business. The free market competition to get a boat into the water, be properly licensed, hire a competent guide, keep the books, and catch fish for tourist's safely day-after-day. That alone weeds out those who should safely be in business earning a profit in this industry and those who should not. This is a slap in the face to hard working Alaskans. GOVERNMENT KEEP YOUR HANDS OUT OF THE ALASKA FREE MARKET SYSTEM. THERE ARE ALREADY FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS IN PLACE. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND...

 
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THE TRUTH IS THAT THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR GUIDES TO MAKE MORE

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SB24 is just the latest sport fish guide marketing event out there. Guides want to get rid of other guides and increase what they can charge, SB24 was made to order for that. First the sport fish guides made an open "Master Guide" attempt to grab limited entry for themselves to get rid of some guides and increase fees but when the state told them that it was illegal, they quickly turned and ask Senator McGuire to craft them something which would have the same limited entry effect. A service board may not directly limit entry to specific numbers of guides but that is where it is all headed. Who needs to limit entry to anything if you can just throw up enough STUFF infront of a guide attempting to become a guide. Well that's the deal, just try to do an end run around LIMITED ENTRY and see if the courts allow it. Its all about the money, not the resource.

 
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I been fishing the Kenai River for over 25yrs.There are way

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to many guides on this river.If i had my way only Alaskans would be allowed to guide on the Kenai.I've seen many guides,in different boats on Sunday..guiding when they aren't allowed to on Sundays.I think there are over 600 guides on the Kenai...way to many.

 
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No and I am still looking for a reason to support SB24

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These are the reasons Senator Lesil McGuire feels that we need SB24.
She is claiming that our logbooks may soon go away and that SB24 may prevent them from going away. Our ADF&G has only been using logbooks for the past few years, so how did they manage our fisheries before logbooks? I think most people will agree that we were able to manage our fisheries before logbooks. The truth is that our fisheries are currently being managed today
much the same way they were managed before logbooks. In the past our ADF&G collected information from many sources and then used it at our Alaska Board of Fish meetings to help make regulations. Today they basically still do that same thing, while attempting to claim that logbooks have somehow helped "some people" believe the data a little better. I watched the logbook program be created and it was not created to help the ADF&G manage any fishery. This logbook idea was generated by people who would not be required to fill them out. It was an attempt to create problems for people other than the creators of the logbooks. The logbook concept of better management was then later dumped on by everyone else as a selling point.
My point is that logbooks were concevied as a deliberate inconvenance for people which the creators did not like. Alaska's fisheries management functioned much the same before and after logbooks. Since I see logbooks as being a very small issue, why would
Senator McGuire desire to create a very large issue like a new service board, because of them?
This service board / logbook goal seems to make very little sense to me.  
 
Senator McGuire also feels that SB24 will somehow allow us to attempt to move guide licensing from ADF&G to Commerce, in order to allow guides to control regulations better and get better enforcement. This assumption appears to be claiming that the move from ADF&G to Commerce would somehow give guides more control of sport fish regulations. I do not understand this connection. How can a commerce connection somehow get sportfish guides around our Alaska Board of Fish? Is a service board going to send its finding to the Alaska Board of Fish and expect
the board to ajust fisheries allocations and regulations according to the service board requests. Anyone believeing this is dreaming. Sport fish guides really don't care about all the thousands regulations everyone is dreaming up. Sure it would be nice to make all those
regulations go the way guides want them to go but what guides really care about is WHO GETS THE FISH? Currently our Board of Fish decides this issue within fish allocations and a new service board would have little more and maybe less sway on the board than all the guides who stand before it and tell them what they want. Sportfish guides really don't care about jumping from one agency to another in an attempt to get more sway on guide regulations. The main reason is because that is not going to effect the Board of Fish in getting themmore fisheries allocations for sport fish users. Guides have been the main element out there supporting the public's right to access their own common use fisheries and that means that guides are the number one force out there standing up against the entire commercial fishing industry. Why would the public want guides to crawl away into the Commerce Department and forget about the Board of Fish?
Sportfish guides are the only thing out there currently preventing commercial fishing from taking over all the fish in Alaska! 
 
Senator McGuire also feels that SB24 will somehow get us better fisheries enforcement and that is one giant leap which I cannot follow. We get better enforcement of regulations because enforcement gets more money. How would enforcement somehow get more money with guides jumping from ADF&G to Commerce?Sport fish guides are not as concerned about controlling guide regulations as they are about getting the sport fishing public allocated 
more fish by the Alaska Board of Fish. It would be very hard to convince any guide that they would somehow get more enforcement funding just because we have created a new service board.  Both the commerce and enforcement reasoning for a new service board, make very little sense to me.
 
Senator McGuire also feels that SB24 would somehow address the Bandit Guiding issue.
We are talking about the enforcement of current guiding regulations and there are only two reason we currently have people bandit guiding. One reason is that we lack funding to hire people to catch bandit guides and the other is that bandit guides see all the meaningless requirements
out there trying to stop them from earning a living guiding and they just say "the stuff is crazy and I'm not going to play the game they want to play with a stacked deck".
I have been filling out licenses and permits for thrity five years now and I understand how these guys think because most of it involves meaningless paperwork where the average person can make no connect between the pile of paperwork and something getting better.
I can understand why someone would be left wanting to just avoid all the paperwork. Since the paperwork is not likely to go away, the only real way left to stop bandit guides is additional funding to catch them and I cannot see a new service board creating additional
funding.. Is the Senator claiming that the Alaska Legislature will see a new service board and automatically then say "We will now send additional enforcement funding to this board" ? If anyone can make this connection, please send me the information.
If all we have to do is create a new service board to receive additional enforcement funding, we really need to know how that one works.I personally find it very hard to believe this increased funding / service board concept.
 
Senator McGuire also feels that our federal government will attempt even more taking-overs of our fisheries if we do not try to create more agencies to manage our fisheries.  This fear of federal fisheries take-over is being generate becausethe federal government has taken giant "illegal leaps" as it attempts to invade Alaska fisheries management. The fed. has taken these leaps because it believe's that Alaska isn't currently fair enough to its residents. The reason for the Senator's fear
is because she has not seen these leaps completely tested within our courts. I believe that in the end, the fed. will be forced to live up to our Alaska Statehood Contract and that contract forces the fed. to agree that all of our fisheries, wildlife and waters  shall be equally shared with common use, to all of our citizens and without limited entry to any fishery.  The fed. may 
twist and turn as it try's to enforce a limited entry halibut program on Alaska but in the end it must fail, at least Alaska's part anyway. The fed. signed the contract at Statehood with Alaska and it is just a matter of time and money before it is forced to live up to that contract. So I am claiming that it is foolish for us to run around creating new fisheries agencies and regulations until the federal fisheries take-over issue is completely settled within our courts. 
           
So I guess what I am saying is that I don't see the logbook issue causing a need for a new service board Senator McGuire. I also don't see the guide licensing from ADF&G to Commerce desire causing a need for a new service board Senator McGuire. I also don't see the Bandit Guiding issue causing a need for a new service board Senator McGuire. 
I also fail to see the threat of the federal government taking over more of our fisheries causing a need for a new service board Senator McGuire.
 
Our Alaska Board of Fish created the logbook system, ADF&G handles guide licensing and ourParks and ADF&G have been pretty much done what they can regarding enforcement, given the funds they have to work with. All of these agencies are currently working to keep our fisheries going but Senator McGuire wants to create a new service board to do what?
To make sport fish guides leave the board of fish process and make their allocation requests from their service board?
So the guides make their allocation requests from the service board and commercial fishing takes over the entire Board of Fish process?
Wow, I wonder who sees that one coming?
Like I said before, what really runs sport fish guiding is the agency which has the power to allocate fish to or away from them.
Why would a guide be interested in a new service board which has no power to allocate fish?
Why would the public be interested in getting guides to leave the Board of Fish process thus letting the commercial fishermen
take all the fish away from the publc?
Why would a guide be interested in becoming part of the commerce department when that will not help allocate fish to him?
A guide might be interested in more funds for chasing bandit guides but I am still having trouble understanding how that is going to happen.
Also I am completely against creating new fisheries management agencies just because of these latest illegal moves by the federal government.
So I guess I am still looking for a reason to support SB24
 
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I'd guessed this bill would be introduced by a Liberal Dem

#10

I'm surprised this bill was introduced by a Republican. I would've guessed that it was sponsored by a Liberal Democrat. TAX, TAX, TAX, SPEND, SPEND, SPEND.

 

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kenai123 kenai123: 5 points   1 year ago
NO! Sport fish guides are already over regulated. Anyway the above picture of a commercial fishermen catching a salmon, clearly shows where this issue is really coming from. This issue, like all of our other fisheries issues, was generated by fisheries user group conflicts. In this case commercial fishing taking a shot at sport fishing. This fisheries battle has been going on now for 40 years. It happens within our Board of Fish process every year. One user group attempts to create paper work or regulations for ANYONE who tries to catch THEIR salmon. This is just the latest make-believe attempt coming from comm. fish and other anti-guided angler groups. I see Senator Lesil McGuire's, SB 24, An Act establishing the Sport Fishing Guide Services Board, SFGSB. I began sportfish guiding 35 years ago here in Alaska. All I needed back then was a $10 sport fishing license in order to guide. I charged $50 per client back then. Currently I am now required to pay $3,700 per year for permits, licenses and fees, which I must file with the federal, state, borough, city governments, state parks, dnr, fish & game and coast guard each year. This all takes me about 140 hours to file each year. To do the same guiding, I am now forced to charge that same client, $175 for the same service, to help pay for all of the above permits, licenses and fees and I AM ACTUALLY MAKING LESS MONEY TODAY THAN I MADE BACK WHEN I WAS CHARGING $50 PER CLIENT. Are you starting to understand what is going on here. You can now guess where the additional $125 per client is going. A small trickle of paperwork per year may seem like nothing at first but multiplied over and over, year after year, the annual trickle turns into a flood in 35 years. That flood flows from permit to permit, license to license and fee to fee. I can honestly say that all this meaningless paper work has done little to nothng to help anything within the sport fishing industry. I request that anyone please explain to me what awful situation currently exists, within sportfish guiding, which requires additional paper work
of any kind to correct? Kenai River sport fish guides are currently required to have half a dozen licenses and another half dozen permits.
These guides are currently watched over by a dozen agencies so why would anyone feel that they need another agency watching those agencies?
SB 24 claims to "promote the health, safety, and welfare of the guided fish angler and the stability of the sport fish guide industry in the state by regulating the activities of provider of sport fishing guide, outfitter, and transportation services."
But nobody can explain how a SFGSB will somehow do any of that. All of these claimed issues are currently handled by current federal, state
and city agencies, so we want to create an agency to watch over those agencies?
I do not see the claimed problems within the sport fish guide industy and I do not see how the creation of a SFGSB would help even if the claimed problems really existed. All of these claimed problems are currently handled by federal, state, borough and city agencies. The truth is that the sport fish guiding industry really does not have all those claimed health, safety, welfare and stability problems.
The truth is that some sport fish user groups do have very large conflicts. These fisheries user groups attempt to create paper work problems for any group other than themselves. These user group conflicts are currently handled by our Alaska Board of Fish.
We don't need to create a SFGSB to watch over our Alaska Board of Fish. We don't need government agencies to watch over government agencies.
I would really love to hear just one person specifically explain how a SFGSB would really fix anything by watching all our other agencies, watch sport fish guides?
What's a SFGSB going to do, say "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides Alaska Board of Fish!" or "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides U.S. Coast Guard!'"
or "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides State of Alaska guide licensing!" or "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides Alaska State Parks!"
or "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides ADF& !" or "that's such a good job you did controlling those guides Alaska DNR!" over and over and over and over...
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Melvin Grove Melvin Grove: 11 points   1 year ago
This bill adds nothing but more beuracracy to our industry and I'm only aware of one organization that supports and is pushing this bill. That would be the Kenia river guides. Nearly 85% of those surveyed by F&G a couple years ago opposed this idea. What's changed? Our license requirements already require, CPR&First Aid, USCG licensing, and insurance. We currently pay an annual fee of $100 for the license to F&G and as of yet we've seen no benefit from our money unless you consider smaller bag limits or fewer fish in our rivers a benefit. This bill is nothing more then a rewrite of Big Game Hunting Board Requirements that will limit competition in the fishing guide industry and make anyone wanting to become a guide work under serfdom for years before they can become a guide. This will do nothing for the consumer but make the prices go up and using a charter in Alaska would soon become a "richman" past time just as using a hunting guide is today. Do Alaskans who use a charter or fishing guide want to see the availability of guides services dwindle and the cost skyrocket so they can no longer afford to harvest one of our greatest resources??? The Kenia river guides are supporting this bill for just that reason, to limit their competition so they can have the river to themselves and price the average working man out of the opportunity of catching his own. Lower the supply, increase the demand, and soon enough the average Alaskan is left trying to do it himself because he can't afford the use of a guide. Just look at the cost of using a hunting guide and you'll see where this is going.

The current licensing requirement has been law since 2004 and has been working fine. It requires that all guides have CPR/First Aid, USCG license if operating navigable waters, and minimum insurance requirements. The biggest problem most have with this current law is that it requires and annual fee of $100 for which we get nothing more in return then a piece of paper and a sticker for your vessel. They use the remainder to pay for logbooks which guides complete to determine the amount of resource gathered. What's disturbing is that the Feds and the state aren't using this data to show that there is a need to allocate more resource for the private citizen gathering his own fish but instead they are trying to reduce our allocation to support the commercial fishing industry. Look at what's happening in SE AK, a proposed 1 halibut bag limit with a size limit of 37". Commercial fisherman can't even keep a halibut under 32" so the owners of this public resource (Citizens) are left with what's basically the commercial industries "trash" fish.

Alaskan's need to oppose this bill vigorously if they want to maintain any kind of affordable access to their public resource. The free market is the best way to keep cost down and maintain quality services and has been working for decades. There is absolutely no need to change it now with this legislation.
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